DDCP - Dutch Disappointed Civ4 Players PBEM - Page 5

Matrix · 11-11-2005, 13:17

Sure, but then I'd rather have Pangaea. Besides, that's in the line of DDXP tradition as well.

Matrix · 11-11-2005, 13:53

I think it'd like to be England, replacing Victoria.

Kemal · 11-11-2005, 14:48

Pangaea? In line with ddxp? Iirc we played continents, didn;t we, or am I missing the clue here?

Anyway, we would miss out on a big part of the game by choosing pangaea, it would mean no or at least relatively little importance on naval combat...

Matrix · 11-11-2005, 14:54

But more than with lakes or inland sea. Anyway, we did play pangaea, but in Civ3 that still means you can have more than one continent. The amount of continents/islands is just very low. Note that next to our two continents there was absolutely no other land!

Kemal · 11-11-2005, 15:07

Ah ok, thanks for the clarification.

But if we use the notion of pangeae of one big round continent, having 8 players on a standard map still means this type is not best suited, imho. Who would ever want to start in the middle on such a map, instead of having some safe corners in your empire where it borders the sea?

That means unbalancing starts are a given, regardless of the distribution of resources.

Yeah but Kemal, that's part of the game, I hear people think? Well, agreed, but if it can be easily avoided while still having a fully random map, why unnecessarily make life miserable for one or two of us by condemning them to a diplomatically very weak position from the beginning?

ERIKK · 11-11-2005, 15:18

lakes or inner sea does not have such a problem...

Matrix · 13-11-2005, 15:44

I've made a poll about the map setting dispute. I hope you agree with the options I've offered. Unfortunately multiple answers isn't possible here.

By the way, the resources are quite balanced in a "Balanced" game, but the relative starting location isn't. Look at the example Sirian gave:

Matrix · 13-11-2005, 22:23

And please pick a leader. I'd like to get this game started.

ERIKK · 13-11-2005, 22:51

Ghandi please...

leaders: http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/refe...er_picker.html

Darkness · 14-11-2005, 09:20

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Matrix

And please pick a leader. I'd like to get this game started.

You'd better just play with six players then...
Play.com still hasn't delivered my game...

And I'll have to see if it works when I get it, 'cause the systems requirement check says my graphics card is not good enough...

11-11-2005, 13:17	#41
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	Sure, but then I'd rather have Pangaea. Besides, that's in the line of DDXP tradition as well. __________________

11-11-2005, 13:53	#42
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	I think it'd like to be England, replacing Victoria. __________________

11-11-2005, 14:48	#43
Kemal Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,108	Pangaea? In line with ddxp? Iirc we played continents, didn;t we, or am I missing the clue here? Anyway, we would miss out on a big part of the game by choosing pangaea, it would mean no or at least relatively little importance on naval combat... __________________ <b>\"In the Game of Thrones, you win or you die\" </b>

11-11-2005, 14:54	#44
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	But more than with lakes or inland sea. Anyway, we did play pangaea, but in Civ3 that still means you can have more than one continent. The amount of continents/islands is just very low. Note that next to our two continents there was absolutely no other land! __________________

11-11-2005, 15:07	#45
Kemal Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,108	Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. But if we use the notion of pangeae of one big round continent, having 8 players on a standard map still means this type is not best suited, imho. Who would ever want to start in the middle on such a map, instead of having some safe corners in your empire where it borders the sea? That means unbalancing starts are a given, regardless of the distribution of resources. Yeah but Kemal, that's part of the game, I hear people think? Well, agreed, but if it can be easily avoided while still having a fully random map, why unnecessarily make life miserable for one or two of us by condemning them to a diplomatically very weak position from the beginning? __________________ <b>\"In the Game of Thrones, you win or you die\" </b>

11-11-2005, 15:18	#46
ERIKK Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands!. Posts: 2,636	lakes or inner sea does not have such a problem...

13-11-2005, 15:44	#47
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	I've made a poll about the map setting dispute. I hope you agree with the options I've offered. Unfortunately multiple answers isn't possible here. By the way, the resources are quite balanced in a "Balanced" game, but the relative starting location isn't. Look at the example Sirian gave: __________________

13-11-2005, 22:23	#48
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	And please pick a leader. I'd like to get this game started. __________________

13-11-2005, 22:51	#49
ERIKK Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands!. Posts: 2,636	Ghandi please... leaders: http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/refe...er_picker.html