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digger760 · 10-01-2005, 14:32

Keramik???? what tech is that???

Lt. Killer M · 10-01-2005, 15:28

Pottery.

TheCat: one option about this hut would have moving the stttler and popping it by settling, or waiting until your borders expand. antoher I often use is simply not building troops for ten turns, which means the hut will not give barbs (if you have no unit with a defence value >1 you can't pop barbs!)

TheCat · 10-01-2005, 21:33

Hey, that's news for me killer... see??? I have A LOT to learn!!!!

But the last two huts also got barbs and I had no troops under 1

Schip · 10-01-2005, 23:10

I think Killer means no troops except workers, settlers or scouts. Well if you have scouts you cannot pop babs because you are expansionist. Basically, no mill -> no barbs. It is a risk though.

ProPain · 11-01-2005, 03:16

As long as you don't own any military (i.e. units with attack or defense >=1 ) you wont get barbs from popping a hut. In this case you could have gone for 3 options.

1- Wait for the border expand to pop it and dont produce any warrior untill then
2- Move the settler next to it and pop it by settling (will never give barbs even if you do own military)
3- Pop it with the worker before you build any warriors.

Also you'll never get a settler from a hut when you own a settler or are producing one, but chances for a settler increase when you own less cities than average. On deity this means you have a better chance of popping a settler after a few turns when the AI have usually settled both starting settlers. In this case you could have tried to go for that, but I guess that would have meant stalling the warrior build for 1 turn unless you're a indus civ (road in 2 instead of3. You would have lost 2 worker turns though (moving up and down from the hill)

TheCat · 11-01-2005, 05:16

oboy... see, I know I'd learn...

Kemal · 11-01-2005, 09:31

Hmm, are you sure your chances *increase* for having less than the average number of cities of all players, pp?

I always thought that it was an all or nothing thing, i.e. if you have equal or less than the average, you can pop a settler (doesn't modify the actual chance of popping one from a hut though), whereas if you have more than the average, if you'd pop a settler and the game sees the requirement of having less or equal to the average amount of cities unfulfilled, you get a warrior instead. But perhaps I'm mistaken here, and this was purely a PTW thing, my experience with C3C is, even now, still somewhat limited.

ProPain · 11-01-2005, 13:45

interesting question Kemal, I've always been convinced you still had a change to pull a settler even if you had more than average cities. However I never really paid attention to it so I cant say I ever pulled a settler having above average number of cities. I consider your knowlegde to be more in depth than mine so you're probably right.

Pulling a warrior from a hut after getting par in cities will never be the same..... A beautifull settler just died

Lt. Killer M · 11-01-2005, 13:50

kemal, I once got a settler on turn 3 - which would have meant the AIs teleported their second settler.....

only explanation would be all AIs were on mountains and moved into different directions.

Darkness · 24-02-2005, 11:04

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quote:Originally posted by Lt. Killer M

kemal, I once got a settler on turn 3 - which would have meant the AIs teleported their second settler.....

only explanation would be all AIs were on mountains and moved into different directions.

IIRC you can only get a settler from a GH if:
- You have no active settlers walking around
- You are not building any settlers
- Your number of cities is equal to or lower than the average number of cities the AI's have

10-01-2005, 15:28	#12
Lt. Killer M Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: HAWK!. Posts: 4,365	Pottery. TheCat: one option about this hut would have moving the stttler and popping it by settling, or waiting until your borders expand. antoher I often use is simply not building troops for ten turns, which means the hut will not give barbs (if you have no unit with a defence value >1 you can't pop barbs!) __________________ One more turn..... just one more turn... one MORE!

11-01-2005, 03:16	#15
ProPain Customized Admin :) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sailing the seas of cheese. Posts: 5,852	As long as you don't own any military (i.e. units with attack or defense >=1 ) you wont get barbs from popping a hut. In this case you could have gone for 3 options. 1- Wait for the border expand to pop it and dont produce any warrior untill then 2- Move the settler next to it and pop it by settling (will never give barbs even if you do own military) 3- Pop it with the worker before you build any warriors. Also you'll never get a settler from a hut when you own a settler or are producing one, but chances for a settler increase when you own less cities than average. On deity this means you have a better chance of popping a settler after a few turns when the AI have usually settled both starting settlers. In this case you could have tried to go for that, but I guess that would have meant stalling the warrior build for 1 turn unless you're a indus civ (road in 2 instead of3. You would have lost 2 worker turns though (moving up and down from the hill) __________________ I fed my Dog the American Dream Well, he rolled over and he started to scream He said, I dig the taste of salt but it don't keep me alive yeah, yeah

11-01-2005, 09:31	#17
Kemal Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,108	Hmm, are you sure your chances increase for having less than the average number of cities of all players, pp? I always thought that it was an all or nothing thing, i.e. if you have equal or less than the average, you can pop a settler (doesn't modify the actual chance of popping one from a hut though), whereas if you have more than the average, if you'd pop a settler and the game sees the requirement of having less or equal to the average amount of cities unfulfilled, you get a warrior instead. But perhaps I'm mistaken here, and this was purely a PTW thing, my experience with C3C is, even now, still somewhat limited. __________________ <b>\"In the Game of Thrones, you win or you die\" </b>

11-01-2005, 13:45	#18
ProPain Customized Admin :) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sailing the seas of cheese. Posts: 5,852	interesting question Kemal, I've always been convinced you still had a change to pull a settler even if you had more than average cities. However I never really paid attention to it so I cant say I ever pulled a settler having above average number of cities. I consider your knowlegde to be more in depth than mine so you're probably right. Pulling a warrior from a hut after getting par in cities will never be the same..... A beautifull settler just died __________________ I fed my Dog the American Dream Well, he rolled over and he started to scream He said, I dig the taste of salt but it don't keep me alive yeah, yeah

11-01-2005, 13:50	#19
Lt. Killer M Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: HAWK!. Posts: 4,365	kemal, I once got a settler on turn 3 - which would have meant the AIs teleported their second settler..... only explanation would be all AIs were on mountains and moved into different directions. __________________ One more turn..... just one more turn... one MORE!

10-01-2005, 14:32	#11
digger760 King Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Fake Dog Poo Factory. Posts: 1,887	Keramik???? what tech is that???

10-01-2005, 21:33	#13
TheCat Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: . Posts: 47	Hey, that's news for me killer... see??? I have A LOT to learn!!!! But the last two huts also got barbs and I had no troops under 1

10-01-2005, 23:10	#14
Schip Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 289	I think Killer means no troops except workers, settlers or scouts. Well if you have scouts you cannot pop babs because you are expansionist. Basically, no mill -> no barbs. It is a risk though.

11-01-2005, 05:16	#16
TheCat Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: . Posts: 47	oboy... see, I know I'd learn...