The big Wartham United player tombola! - Page 2

yndy · 25-07-2004, 19:02

Listing all your players I see you have 7 forwards (Brown, Devlin, Coackley, Howson, Falkiner, Pearce, Tunna), 5 playmakers (Charles – for sale, Mason, Singh, Crook, Bodhie) most of them needing stamina, 2 defenders (Edwards, Budd), 2 wingers (Lambert, Mika), 1 lousy keeper (Nilsson) and 4 fireable players (Terret, Ashton, Kavooris, Johnson).

Mason would make a decent coach if he gets to passable experience

You need to take some one-time measures to get in a better shape.

One important issue is that you lack stamina. Without stamina you can’t use your midfielders properly. Stamina trains easy even with a lousy coach (which you have) and with old trainees (you have them too). You now have two options:
-train stamina or
-sell the rest of the playmakers with lousy stamina (Singh, Crook) and buy 2 inadequate playmakers with solid or better stamina at maximum EUR10k each. ( my advice)

If you sell there are additional risks that you might not get the true worth of the players as many similar players are on the market.

If you decide on training stamina you need to maximize your proceeds by trading. So you should buy like 20 passable playmakers with weak or inadequate stamina and pay no more than EUR5k for each. In 4-6 weeks, you will sell each of them for at least EUR20k (after 20% sales commission). The problem is that the form of your squad will be terrible. You will also risk bankruptcy during the period and you need to spend a lot of time on the transfer market to find cheap players for the training.

The second issue is that you have several forwards, many with good passing ability. Since you got the players with your team, their skill is on average mid level so by training them scoring, most of them will pop to the next level in 5-7 weeks. You have two options:
- sell 4 of them (Brown, Devlin, Coackley, Howson) and get some good money on them or,
- sell Falkiner and train scoring playing the other 6 (play 3-4-3 formation). Sell each of them as he pops to a higher level and recruit a passable coach with poor leadership (alternatively, wait until Mason’s experience raises to passable and then make him your coach). After you got a passable coach, use the money from selling your forwards to buy young 18yo passable forwards. (my advice)

Let me know what do you think about this and if you see any problems.
You will not get any decent results in HT until you finish the short term training program. When you get to the end of it you should have either a decent bunch of scoring trainees or some cash to start another training program.

Dell19 · 25-07-2004, 22:48

Hmmm I guess I'm still in a footiemanager frame of mind where the main job was picking the team...

As I understand it the two issues probably conflict because I can't train stamina and shooting unless I take PPs advice and train stamina for a couple of weeks and then start on shooting. I might try selling Falkiner but I'm not sure how much I should ask for him though and then train shooting after the 2 weeks of stamina training.

I'm not too worried about where I finish this season since I was on holiday for two weeks and lost a couple of games against teams that I might have won. Next game is against the team that will almost certainly go up this season.

Also after playing a home game I will now lose 5k this week unless I get some extra revenue from the friendly game.

I think I will sack Ashton and Johnson for now.

I think the idea of a short burst of stamina training and then training shooting is most appealing for me as at the moment I'm not really confident about buying and selling players at the correct price levels and the risk of bankrupcy is kind of worrying...

Thanks for all your time btw.

Shabbaman · 26-07-2004, 10:26

The best time to train stamina is between the seasons. Don't train on stamina right away. Training on stamina lowers the form of your players, so you couldn't really make good use of them anyway. Start on training on scoring (not shooting!), I'd say.
Cruise hinted to list Amos Charles with a minimum of 250k euros (really, who cares how much that'd be in pounds

), that's a good idea. You want the big cash, and eventually someone will show up who'll pay it. Just make sure that you put him on the transfer list after dinner time, 19.00 or 20.00 or so.
If you want to sell other players (now or in the future), the bidding system works pretty good so you could list players without a starting price.

Two more things:

1. What is the size of your stadium? Please say you did built a larger one...
2. What specialists did you hire? It's probably a good idea to hire a couple of spokesmen.

Shabbaman · 26-07-2004, 10:28

Another thing, did you read the Platypus guide? If not, please do.

Shabbaman · 26-07-2004, 10:29

P.S. Hurray for the double and triple posting

Dell19 · 26-07-2004, 16:05

The stadium (Didn't actually upgrade it correctly...)

Total capacity: 13000

Terraces: 8000
Basic seating: 5000
Seats under roof: 0
Seats in VIP boxes: 0

And the assistant people:

Youth Squad: solid
Investment in the Youth squad: 13 333 £ / week

Goaltending Coaches: 0
Assistant Coaches: 3
Sport Psychologists: 0
Spokepersons: 0
Economists: 0
Physiotherapists: 2
Doctors: 0

Should I sign a spokesperson then? And I pretended that 250k was meant to be in £ so he might be a little overpriced...

Shabbaman · 26-07-2004, 17:10

Spokespersons (probably girls in very short dresses) do wonders for your supporters and sponsors. Just hire two or so, they'll definately make up for that.
You sure did screw up your stadium

But hey, at least you have one. But it's something that could definately be improved. And your youth squad is solid already, so not all's lost. Take another look at Yndy's suggestions, he knows what he's talking about.

Are you using a hattrick tool for line-ups and such? Try hattrick organizer (which I'm using) or hattrick buddy (next time you're upgrading your stadium

)

Dell19 · 26-07-2004, 20:49

Well I don't have the cash anymore to upgrade my stadium, I found out about those tools about half way through the construction... Hiring another spokesperson then.

Dell19 · 26-07-2004, 21:00

Looks like I might have soon though since someone just placed a £250,000 bid for Amos Charles.

Shabbaman · 26-07-2004, 21:46

Ka-ching!!!

You put him up with a 250k pound instead of euro minimum? Good choice, apparently...

25-07-2004, 19:02	#11
yndy Prince Join Date: May 2003 Location: Romania. Posts: 895	Listing all your players I see you have 7 forwards (Brown, Devlin, Coackley, Howson, Falkiner, Pearce, Tunna), 5 playmakers (Charles – for sale, Mason, Singh, Crook, Bodhie) most of them needing stamina, 2 defenders (Edwards, Budd), 2 wingers (Lambert, Mika), 1 lousy keeper (Nilsson) and 4 fireable players (Terret, Ashton, Kavooris, Johnson). Mason would make a decent coach if he gets to passable experience You need to take some one-time measures to get in a better shape. One important issue is that you lack stamina. Without stamina you can’t use your midfielders properly. Stamina trains easy even with a lousy coach (which you have) and with old trainees (you have them too). You now have two options: -train stamina or -sell the rest of the playmakers with lousy stamina (Singh, Crook) and buy 2 inadequate playmakers with solid or better stamina at maximum EUR10k each. ( my advice) If you sell there are additional risks that you might not get the true worth of the players as many similar players are on the market. If you decide on training stamina you need to maximize your proceeds by trading. So you should buy like 20 passable playmakers with weak or inadequate stamina and pay no more than EUR5k for each. In 4-6 weeks, you will sell each of them for at least EUR20k (after 20% sales commission). The problem is that the form of your squad will be terrible. You will also risk bankruptcy during the period and you need to spend a lot of time on the transfer market to find cheap players for the training. The second issue is that you have several forwards, many with good passing ability. Since you got the players with your team, their skill is on average mid level so by training them scoring, most of them will pop to the next level in 5-7 weeks. You have two options: - sell 4 of them (Brown, Devlin, Coackley, Howson) and get some good money on them or, - sell Falkiner and train scoring playing the other 6 (play 3-4-3 formation). Sell each of them as he pops to a higher level and recruit a passable coach with poor leadership (alternatively, wait until Mason’s experience raises to passable and then make him your coach). After you got a passable coach, use the money from selling your forwards to buy young 18yo passable forwards. (my advice) Let me know what do you think about this and if you see any problems. You will not get any decent results in HT until you finish the short term training program. When you get to the end of it you should have either a decent bunch of scoring trainees or some cash to start another training program. __________________ The one and only

26-07-2004, 10:26	#13
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,494	The best time to train stamina is between the seasons. Don't train on stamina right away. Training on stamina lowers the form of your players, so you couldn't really make good use of them anyway. Start on training on scoring (not shooting!), I'd say. Cruise hinted to list Amos Charles with a minimum of 250k euros (really, who cares how much that'd be in pounds ), that's a good idea. You want the big cash, and eventually someone will show up who'll pay it. Just make sure that you put him on the transfer list after dinner time, 19.00 or 20.00 or so. If you want to sell other players (now or in the future), the bidding system works pretty good so you could list players without a starting price. Two more things: 1. What is the size of your stadium? Please say you did built a larger one... 2. What specialists did you hire? It's probably a good idea to hire a couple of spokesmen. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

26-07-2004, 10:28	#14
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,494	Another thing, did you read the Platypus guide? If not, please do. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

26-07-2004, 10:29	#15
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,494	P.S. Hurray for the double and triple posting __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

26-07-2004, 17:10	#17
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,494	Spokespersons (probably girls in very short dresses) do wonders for your supporters and sponsors. Just hire two or so, they'll definately make up for that. You sure did screw up your stadium But hey, at least you have one. But it's something that could definately be improved. And your youth squad is solid already, so not all's lost. Take another look at Yndy's suggestions, he knows what he's talking about. Are you using a hattrick tool for line-ups and such? Try hattrick organizer (which I'm using) or hattrick buddy (next time you're upgrading your stadium ) __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

25-07-2004, 22:48	#12
Dell19 King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grantham. Posts: 1,359	Hmmm I guess I'm still in a footiemanager frame of mind where the main job was picking the team... As I understand it the two issues probably conflict because I can't train stamina and shooting unless I take PPs advice and train stamina for a couple of weeks and then start on shooting. I might try selling Falkiner but I'm not sure how much I should ask for him though and then train shooting after the 2 weeks of stamina training. I'm not too worried about where I finish this season since I was on holiday for two weeks and lost a couple of games against teams that I might have won. Next game is against the team that will almost certainly go up this season. Also after playing a home game I will now lose 5k this week unless I get some extra revenue from the friendly game. I think I will sack Ashton and Johnson for now. I think the idea of a short burst of stamina training and then training shooting is most appealing for me as at the moment I'm not really confident about buying and selling players at the correct price levels and the risk of bankrupcy is kind of worrying... Thanks for all your time btw.

26-07-2004, 16:05	#16
Dell19 King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grantham. Posts: 1,359	The stadium (Didn't actually upgrade it correctly...) Total capacity: 13000 Terraces: 8000 Basic seating: 5000 Seats under roof: 0 Seats in VIP boxes: 0 And the assistant people: Youth Squad: solid Investment in the Youth squad: 13 333 £ / week Goaltending Coaches: 0 Assistant Coaches: 3 Sport Psychologists: 0 Spokepersons: 0 Economists: 0 Physiotherapists: 2 Doctors: 0 Should I sign a spokesperson then? And I pretended that 250k was meant to be in £ so he might be a little overpriced...

26-07-2004, 20:49	#18
Dell19 King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grantham. Posts: 1,359	Well I don't have the cash anymore to upgrade my stadium, I found out about those tools about half way through the construction... Hiring another spokesperson then.

26-07-2004, 21:00	#19
Dell19 King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grantham. Posts: 1,359	Looks like I might have soon though since someone just placed a £250,000 bid for Amos Charles.

26-07-2004, 21:46	#20
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,494	Ka-ching!!! You put him up with a 250k pound instead of euro minimum? Good choice, apparently... __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"