Avatars are here! - Page 12

digger760 · 30-06-2003, 16:55

did you forget mine?

anarres · 30-06-2003, 17:09

digger - it was added to the lsit as 'digger2', I just set your profgile to use it (you can edit your profile form the 'Members' link at the top of the page).

Ribannah · 01-07-2003, 11:04

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quote:Originally posted by ProPain

Fixed all avatars in my coffee break. PSP5 has some problem generating transparent back grounds so they dont look to good imo. Maybe someone else can fix this.

Thanks but yes, it doesn't look that good. Maybe also because the original is .jpg and you made a .gif image? Or doesn't .jpg allow transparency? Hmm. Anyone?

PS: A version of the large image with transparent background would also be nice to have. Isn't there a paint program somewhere that simply allows a color to be changed into transparent?

digger760 · 01-07-2003, 13:05

jpg don't do transparency, but gifs do. The problem with your image is that is is difficult to convert that grey to transparent, because if you look closely at it all is not all the same shade of grey.

digger760 · 01-07-2003, 13:23

ok,

I played i had a few spare minutes during my lunch break so i played about with the image. I made all the back ground one colour although close to the edge of the image i could'nt be bothered to much cos it is hard work change all the pixels there.

The problem is the image is to detailed and once you resize it to 64x64 alot of the pixels are merged into 1, so you loose the detail you had.

Anyway here is what i did. slight better background anyway

4.3KB

if you save the 64x64 image as a bmp you can edit each pixel in paint brush, you might be able to make the picture clearer in 64x64...but you'd have to have lots of patients.

digger760 · 01-07-2003, 13:27

if you zoom up that 64x64 image you can see what has happened to the pixels

9.54KB

ProPain · 01-07-2003, 13:32

Ribannah. As digger says jpg dont allow tranparancy, gifs do. The trick ( at least in PSP5) is to change the background to a single color and tell the programm to make that color transparant. Kinda tricky for images with lots of color because then part of the picture gets transparant also. I fixed the background color when the image was still large but making it smaller fucked up the single color background.

I can upload Diggers version which looks quite ok imo. (It's much better than my version anyway!) If you want I can look at it more closely and experiment with different methods of making the image smaller and manually adjusting the border coloring. This takes quite some time and I won't get to that before my holiday. So you would need to exercise some patience till the end of July.

DrAlimentado · 01-07-2003, 13:42

Ribbanah, here ya go:

56.73KB

4.76KB

PSP7, for BG's with slightly different shades flood-fill it with a different colour with tolerance set to 20% or so, then do the transparency.

anarres · 01-07-2003, 13:48

DrA, can you also lighten it up? I'm sure there must be a brightness/contrast control in there somewhere...

DrAlimentado · 01-07-2003, 13:55

bleh, I needn't have bothered! still, it takes all of 2 minutes, so no loss

digger - use flood-fill instead of doing it by hand... works just fine unless your flooding up to a colour that is too close to the one your replacing (ie. if the border was dark grey)

PP, the reason the bg colour changed to being non-single colour is because you resized when it was a 32k colour jpg, if you decreased colour depth to 256 colours before the resize it would have stayed single colour. It's worth playing with the different colour conversions to see which palette works best, octree or median-cut usually give better results than 'web-safe'.

I haven't manually altered the border to make it rounder which as you can see from Digger's zoom-up will make a slight difference...

30-06-2003, 17:09	#112
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	digger - it was added to the lsit as 'digger2', I just set your profgile to use it (you can edit your profile form the 'Members' link at the top of the page). __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

01-07-2003, 13:32	#117
ProPain Customized Admin :) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sailing the seas of cheese. Posts: 5,852	Ribannah. As digger says jpg dont allow tranparancy, gifs do. The trick ( at least in PSP5) is to change the background to a single color and tell the programm to make that color transparant. Kinda tricky for images with lots of color because then part of the picture gets transparant also. I fixed the background color when the image was still large but making it smaller fucked up the single color background. I can upload Diggers version which looks quite ok imo. (It's much better than my version anyway!) If you want I can look at it more closely and experiment with different methods of making the image smaller and manually adjusting the border coloring. This takes quite some time and I won't get to that before my holiday. So you would need to exercise some patience till the end of July. __________________ I fed my Dog the American Dream Well, he rolled over and he started to scream He said, I dig the taste of salt but it don't keep me alive yeah, yeah

01-07-2003, 13:42	#118
DrAlimentado Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: the cookie jar. Posts: 1,568	Ribbanah, here ya go: 56.73KB 4.76KB PSP7, for BG's with slightly different shades flood-fill it with a different colour with tolerance set to 20% or so, then do the transparency. __________________ <font color=\"red\">sign up for the best game on the forum</font id=\"red\"> <font color=\"green\">My Army</font id=\"green\"> <font color=\"green\">Help my orcs to prosper</font id=\"green\"> MapTweaker Utility beta (copy/paste/resize biq files)

01-07-2003, 13:48	#119
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	DrA, can you also lighten it up? I'm sure there must be a brightness/contrast control in there somewhere... __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

01-07-2003, 13:55	#120
DrAlimentado Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: the cookie jar. Posts: 1,568	bleh, I needn't have bothered! still, it takes all of 2 minutes, so no loss digger - use flood-fill instead of doing it by hand... works just fine unless your flooding up to a colour that is too close to the one your replacing (ie. if the border was dark grey) PP, the reason the bg colour changed to being non-single colour is because you resized when it was a 32k colour jpg, if you decreased colour depth to 256 colours before the resize it would have stayed single colour. It's worth playing with the different colour conversions to see which palette works best, octree or median-cut usually give better results than 'web-safe'. I haven't manually altered the border to make it rounder which as you can see from Digger's zoom-up will make a slight difference... __________________ <font color=\"red\">sign up for the best game on the forum</font id=\"red\"> <font color=\"green\">My Army</font id=\"green\"> <font color=\"green\">Help my orcs to prosper</font id=\"green\"> MapTweaker Utility beta (copy/paste/resize biq files)

30-06-2003, 16:55	#111
digger760 King Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Fake Dog Poo Factory. Posts: 1,887	did you forget mine?

01-07-2003, 13:05	#114
digger760 King Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Fake Dog Poo Factory. Posts: 1,887	jpg don't do transparency, but gifs do. The problem with your image is that is is difficult to convert that grey to transparent, because if you look closely at it all is not all the same shade of grey.

01-07-2003, 13:23	#115
digger760 King Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Fake Dog Poo Factory. Posts: 1,887	ok, I played i had a few spare minutes during my lunch break so i played about with the image. I made all the back ground one colour although close to the edge of the image i could'nt be bothered to much cos it is hard work change all the pixels there. The problem is the image is to detailed and once you resize it to 64x64 alot of the pixels are merged into 1, so you loose the detail you had. Anyway here is what i did. slight better background anyway 4.3KB if you save the 64x64 image as a bmp you can edit each pixel in paint brush, you might be able to make the picture clearer in 64x64...but you'd have to have lots of patients.

01-07-2003, 13:27	#116
digger760 King Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Fake Dog Poo Factory. Posts: 1,887	if you zoom up that 64x64 image you can see what has happened to the pixels 9.54KB